This is an Instant Messenger conversation, so it may be tough to follow at times. Dave considers himself a free thinker, he also is a Catholic. I fall under no denomination, I worship no God, read on..

Conversation Ver Batem: (below are a breakdown of my points and his responses)

Justin - Atheist---- yea... just reading your email - you're right that you dont necessarily need to be at any time an atheist to be a free thinker
Justin - Atheist---- but, just as any atheist must openly question the possibility of God, any Theist must openly question the possibility of no God
Justin - Atheist---- but most christians cant question that - its another one of the bible things that sends ya strait to hell - questioning His word
Dave - Catholic---- : thats a broad generalization that i dont think you have ne real fact to back it up with
Dave - Catholic---- : but consider this. Christians have considered the possibility of no God. but for the moment have decided that enough evidence exist to support thier beliefs
Justin - Atheist---- well then the decision is made, no need to 'think' about it any more eh?
Dave - Catholic---- : some could say the same about the general exceptance of evolution
Dave - Catholic---- : or the big bang theory
Dave - Catholic---- : or ne of a number of widely accepted scientific theory's
Justin - Atheist---- yes some could, but there is scientific evidence by the assload to back those up - and if any flaw is found in any of them, they would be abandoned, unlike a religion
Dave - Catholic---- : your not going to find an assload of evidence to back up the big bang. sorry but most of what you'll find in conjecture.
Justin - Atheist---- scientific theory looks to the future for even more proof, more answers. religious dogma is stagnant
Dave - Catholic---- : and i must point out that religeon does change. not as fast as science but one could say the reason for that is that relegion waits for compelling eveidence to change. not what just sounds better
Dave - Catholic---- : religion is explaining the past and helping with the present. Its is a way of liveing not an explanation of how things work
Justin - Atheist---- well you'll never find compelling evidence that there are no invisible pink unicorns..
Dave - Catholic---- : so you cannot directly compare it to most sciences
Dave - Catholic---- : you really like the pink unicorns dont ya
Justin - Atheist---- religion is and always has been an explanation for how things work
Justin - Atheist---- its 'god's will' and crap like that
Dave - Catholic---- : What the hell are you talking about
Justin - Atheist---- science has simply replaced much of that
Dave - Catholic---- : who have you been listening to.
Dave - Catholic---- : relegion tells you how to live. not why your toaster works
Justin - Atheist---- 2000 years ago, what caused lightening?
Justin - Atheist---- zues
Justin - Atheist---- now what causes lightening
Dave - Catholic---- : 2000 years ago what did science say about lightnin huh
Justin - Atheist---- science...
Dave - Catholic---- : not much buddy
Justin - Atheist---- which is right?
Dave - Catholic---- : science does not cause lighting
Dave - Catholic---- : an electron imbalance does
Dave - Catholic---- : at least thats the accepted theory
Justin - Atheist---- but it still could be zues
Dave - Catholic---- : i guess thats a possibility
Justin - Atheist---- you cant prove its not
Dave - Catholic---- : always have to be open to all possibilities
Dave - Catholic---- : your right justin what are you getting at
Justin - Atheist---- that religion has always been a way of explaining what we dont understand
Justin - Atheist---- life, death, etc
Dave - Catholic---- : but modern religeon does not do that
Dave - Catholic---- : we've left that behind, except for some of the fundies
Justin - Atheist---- then why pray?
Justin - Atheist---- why believe in a God at all?
Justin - Atheist---- do you need him to live a moral life?
Dave - Catholic---- : well think about it.
Dave - Catholic---- : if thier is a god. then he could answer your prayers
Dave - Catholic---- : so it would make since to pray to him
Justin - Atheist---- if not , no foul
Dave - Catholic---- : and you choose to believe in him cause you think he exist
Dave - Catholic---- : just like i believe in rusty, my dog
Dave - Catholic---- : and no you dont need god to live a moral life
Justin - Atheist---- but rusty can be percieved, not god
Justin - Atheist---- and if you read the bible, believing has rules
Justin - Atheist---- if you dont follow them you'd might as well not believe
Dave - Catholic---- : Why do you say that. if ya cant have it all dont take ne
Dave - Catholic---- : thats not a very good phylosiphy in life
Justin - Atheist---- no, but the bible kind of insists that its an all or nothing
Dave - Catholic---- : Gravity cannot be precieved but i also believe in its existance
Dave - Catholic---- : I dont think it does. Unless your still trapped in the old testiment
Justin - Atheist---- gravity can be percieved, it can be measured, just like wind
Justin - Atheist---- the old testament is the 'will of god' is it not?
Dave - Catholic---- : gravity cannot be percieved. but its effects can be measured
Dave - Catholic---- : but measurement is all a matter of scale
Justin - Atheist---- and they are constant, none the less, it is nothing like 'god'
Dave - Catholic---- : thier are forces acting on us that we cannot measure. because the scale is to large or to small. but they do massivly affect the outcome of whatever we try to do
Dave - Catholic---- : The old testiment is a book written over 5000 year ago. from an oral history.
Dave - Catholic---- : I doubt its 100% acurrate.
Dave - Catholic---- : besides its a history. thats all it is
Justin - Atheist---- it also tells a lot about how to live a good life, how not to go to hell etc
Justin - Atheist---- and you believe the new testiment 100%?
Dave - Catholic---- : do i think it all happened. yes. do i think i happened exactly the way it was written. no it probably didnt
Dave - Catholic---- : yes and you can learn from a history. thier are lessons thier. that are good to learn and follow
Justin - Atheist---- but you just have to follow some and not others? right
Dave - Catholic---- : what are ya getting at justin?
Justin - Atheist---- well, do you have to follow all of these lessons and 'words of god' or can you pick and chose?
Dave - Catholic---- : the lessons are thier. some are not relevent in todays society. so in answer yes you get to pick and choose
Justin - Atheist---- how about the 10 commandments? all relevant or maybe some not so much?
Dave - Catholic---- : I believe that all 10 commandments are relevent in todays society
Justin - Atheist---- what about the 2nd, idolatry
Dave - Catholic---- : hahaahaha i knew you where gonna bring that up
Justin - Atheist---- well, its pretty blatantly disobeyed by christians
Dave - Catholic---- : yes i dont think man should put material things before god
Dave - Catholic---- : depends on your interpretation
Justin - Atheist---- wow.. material before god?
Justin - Atheist---- theres not much there to interpret
Justin - Atheist---- how do you interpret it?
Dave - Catholic---- : We should not place things like money. power, sex, as our idols. God should be first.
Justin - Atheist---- and the 4th, come on...
Justin - Atheist---- thats not what god said though
Dave - Catholic---- : ok whats the fourth
Justin - Atheist---- he said anything in the form of anything in heaven or earth to worship
Justin - Atheist---- like bowing benieth a crusifix or statue of god
Dave - Catholic---- : But in context he was refering to The Golden bulls and such. it is connected to the first commandment
Justin - Atheist---- what golden bulls?
Dave - Catholic---- : Its in exodus
Dave - Catholic---- : cant remeber exactly
Dave - Catholic---- : god set it on fire
Dave - Catholic---- : no wait he didnt
Dave - Catholic---- : it dint burn
Justin - Atheist---- the first is 'i am your only god' - the second just says '"You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord you God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to thousands who love me and keep my commandments.
Justin - Atheist---- ANYTHING IN HEAVEN ... or on earth
Justin - Atheist---- you realllllly have to twist that to not mean christ as well
Dave - Catholic---- : Written before the time of christ
Justin - Atheist---- but He knew about christ
Justin - Atheist---- and Christ never said to change it
Dave - Catholic---- : of course. but he wasnt going to tell them about it
Dave - Catholic---- : yes he did
Justin - Atheist---- when did Christ say "worship me or statues of me"
Dave - Catholic---- : once again i dont know the exact passage but christ mentions several times how he was going to rebuild the church
Dave - Catholic---- : he didnt say that justin
Dave - Catholic---- : but whats the harm in it
Dave - Catholic---- : tell me that
Justin - Atheist---- it breaks the commandment of God... that's the harm
Dave - Catholic---- : ahhhhh i see. fortunatly he is a loveing and forgiveing God.
Dave - Catholic---- : so if we got that one wrong. I think we'll still be ok.
Justin - Atheist---- reread that 2nd one... he's a what God?...
Justin - Atheist---- , am a jealous God....
Dave - Catholic---- : chalk it up to the falibilities of god
Dave - Catholic---- : Old testiment again
Dave - Catholic---- : try new testiment.
Justin - Atheist---- Falibilites of God? and what are these?
Dave - Catholic---- : whoops. i ment man
Dave - Catholic---- : thinking ahead of myself
Justin - Atheist---- uh huh... so if you dont want to believe and abide by a part of the bible you just say it doent apply to me, or it was a mistake in the first place?
Justin - Atheist---- where can i sign up for this religion?
Dave - Catholic---- : You have a very narrow version of religeon.
Dave - Catholic---- : vision i mean
Dave - Catholic---- : relegion is alot more open than you seem to think it is
Justin - Atheist---- maybe what you call religion is, but what the bible says is not open for question
Dave - Catholic---- : The bible is a book justin. Religeon uses that book. not the other way around
Justin - Atheist---- so again, if you dont want to abide by certain parts of the book, you dont have to? and there's no repercussion for this?
Dave - Catholic---- : Once again. its a personal choice. But eventually. thiers going to be a judgment. thats when you find out if you where right or wrong
Justin - Atheist---- by this Book - a more devout christian would probably , no deffinitly say your going to hell for sure
Justin - Atheist---- so you can be a christian free thinker -
Justin - Atheist---- or a hellbound follower as some would say
Justin - Atheist---- and dont you wish you had something a little stronger than your own judgement and guesses to determine whether you are right or wrong?
Dave - Catholic---- : Well what do athiest have?
Dave - Catholic---- : And i do. I have the bible. and i have my church. and my parents
Justin - Atheist---- atheists have now... and the belief that there is no judgement day
Justin - Atheist---- but you yourself go against the bible
Justin - Atheist---- and your church
Dave - Catholic---- : Athiest have what? i dont think the belief that thier is no judgment day will help you lead a good life
Dave - Catholic---- : I go against your interpretation of both the bible and my church
Justin - Atheist---- its not about what happens after death for atheists, its what happens while your alive that counts
Dave - Catholic---- : Same with a christian. But what moral compass does an athiest have
Justin - Atheist---- you said yourself that you go against even your own interpretation of the bible, you get to pick and choose...
Justin - Atheist---- what moral compass do atheists need? love your fellow man, dont waste it on God.
Justin - Atheist---- there was morality before christ, there is morality in all religions, and in atheism
Justin - Atheist---- and being a Christian doesnt make you moral
Dave - Catholic---- : I only eliminate what i believe is no longer relevant.
Dave - Catholic---- : and i didnt say being Christian makes you moral
Dave - Catholic---- : but it does provide a guide to help live a moral life.
Justin - Atheist---- all religion does that
Justin - Atheist---- as does humanism and secularism
Dave - Catholic---- : somthing that i dont see athiest as haveing. and why you dont need this guide you said yourself that i might wish i had something better than my own judgment
Justin - Atheist---- holdon
Dave - Catholic---- : but athiesm is not a religeon. and and athiest does not mean your a humanist. I'm simply saying that athiesm by itself does not provide a compass for living a good life
Dave - Catholic---- : ok
Justin - Atheist---- what an atheist has is facts, they just dont believe in things that dont have many facts to support them
Justin - Atheist---- especially ones which call for some form of service
Dave - Catholic---- : that narrows your world down alot. and does absolutey nothing in a moral dilema
Justin - Atheist---- an atheist simply counts on themselves in moral dilemas...
Justin - Atheist---- how many christians actually ask them selves wwjd and do it?
Dave - Catholic---- : Ah is see. I guess if you where raised well. but what if your not
Justin - Atheist---- same w/ christians
Dave - Catholic---- : some one has to show you whats right and whats wrong. you dont just learn that
Justin - Atheist---- a bad atheist is nothing compared with a bad christian
Dave - Catholic---- : that statement is an absolute lie and points out a very bigoted thinking
Justin - Atheist---- you dont need religion for morality
Dave - Catholic---- : never said you did. simply said that it helps
Justin - Atheist---- not necessarily
Justin - Atheist---- it can help as easily as hurt
Dave - Catholic---- : whats not necessarily?
Justin - Atheist---- religion incites passion, you can do great good by this or great bad
Dave - Catholic---- : being that the new testemate is a gospel of love. i would place money that it has helped more than it hurt
Justin - Atheist---- Gospel of love or hate, it depends on how and who interprets it
Dave - Catholic---- : death is simple the final score. its not the goal of christians
Dave - Catholic---- : Hard to intrepret "love your neighbor as yourself" as hate retoric
Justin - Atheist---- for some it would seem otherwise, as with death is the only time that their beliefs are justified
Dave - Catholic---- : True its when you finally know if your right or not. But the object of christianity is to live a good LIFE
Justin - Atheist---- the object of christianity as stated in the Bible is to Worship God, to give to Him your full devotion and life
Justin - Atheist---- where you got the live a good life thing i dont know
Dave - Catholic---- : IT also states in the bible (new testament) that the best way to worship God is to show his works
Dave - Catholic---- : That would be to show the kindness of God to others.
Justin - Atheist---- thats a good way of looking at it... but there is a lot more to it.
Dave - Catholic---- : really like what?
Justin - Atheist---- modesty, charity, no sex before marriage, things like that... but of course some of those dont apply to you
Dave - Catholic---- : nothing wrong with ne of those things
Dave - Catholic---- : as a matter of fact i would recommend all of them
Dave - Catholic---- : including the last one
Dave - Catholic---- : but i dont have the willpower for it
Justin - Atheist---- thats ok... the best religion in the world would of course promise paradise, demand obedience, but forgive mistakes, damn nonbelieves to flames, ... it's quite interesting, the psychology of it
Dave - Catholic---- : But what if thier right?
Dave - Catholic---- : I dont think an athiest can really consider the implications of that line of thought
Justin - Atheist---- its the same as you considering if budhism is right
Justin - Atheist---- it's just not something you really worry about
Dave - Catholic---- : It could be.
Dave - Catholic---- : Or is it something you'd rather not think about
Dave - Catholic---- : eh free thinker
Justin - Atheist---- i'll consider all religions
Dave - Catholic---- : but your not a true athiest.
Justin - Atheist---- christianity bugs me though, followers dont even follow it
Justin - Atheist---- its so twisted, contorted
Dave - Catholic---- : that because you see the relegion as a blinding servitude instead of a personal experiance
Justin - Atheist---- Jesus himself told followers not to worship him, not to call him good "for there is only one good, that is God, my father in heaven"
Justin - Atheist---- religion is both
Dave - Catholic---- : You are really stuck on this whole idol thing arent ya
Dave - Catholic---- : its really not that big a deal
Justin - Atheist---- for you, but i think a follower of the bible would think so
Dave - Catholic---- : I follow the bible. your thinking of a fundie
Justin - Atheist---- and its the fundies that are the worst... they are scary
Dave - Catholic---- : ne extreamist is bad. no matter what there idealogy is
Dave - Catholic---- : brb
Justin - Atheist---- not humanists
Dave - Catholic---- : ne extremist is bad. it narrows your thought patterns to much
Justin - Atheist---- i think that depends on the ideology... if you feel that you're mission in life is to serve others and to let others live as they wish.. no matter how extreme u get, its still good
Dave - Catholic---- : at the extremes though. ne ideology get twisted and distorted.
Dave - Catholic---- : for examply you could become completly subservient.
Dave - Catholic---- : that would be good for every one but you
Dave - Catholic---- : i guess
Justin - Atheist---- it keeps you from doing wrong.. from hurting others
Justin - Atheist---- from excluding others or hating them
Dave - Catholic---- : I guess but. lots of idologies can do that. and at its extremes humanist are complete subserviants. according to you definintion
Justin - Atheist---- we are all completely subserviant to something....
Justin - Atheist---- but what wrong can be found in humanism?
Justin - Atheist---- nothing to kill or die fore
Dave - Catholic---- : thiers nothing wrong with that. i'm just saying that at its extreme end all idologies are flawed
Justin - Atheist---- but only two religions when taken to their extreme propagate violence
Justin - Atheist---- the rest are peaceful
Justin - Atheist---- including atheism/ free thought
Dave - Catholic---- : bull shit
Justin - Atheist---- do tell
Dave - Catholic---- : when a ideology is taken to an extreme it become dominant.
Dave - Catholic---- : and human nature is voilent
Dave - Catholic---- : so in order to convert people over to the dominationg idology humans resort to violence
Dave - Catholic---- : its not the religeose ideology its human nature
Dave - Catholic---- : Once agian i point to communist china's mass murders as a case against athiesm
Justin - Atheist---- atheism is not communism is not atheism
Justin - Atheist---- that's like saying all catholics are nazis
Dave - Catholic---- : I'm not saying that at all
Dave - Catholic---- : but in china. people where killed because they believe strongly in religeon
Dave - Catholic---- : "religeon is the opiat of the people" -
Justin - Atheist---- and in germany people were killed because they were jews -
Dave - Catholic---- : Communism didnt kill those people athiesm did
Justin - Atheist---- wow.. way off there... atheism is a tiny part of communism
Dave - Catholic---- : your right. That was a sad day. but the motive behind that was a pure arian race.
Dave - Catholic---- : Not shit justin. But in this specific instance. athiesm was the driving factor
Dave - Catholic---- : Why cant athiest admit when something bad happens in the name of athiesm
Justin - Atheist---- stalin, the first communist dictator was an orthodox christian... communism does not rely on religion or lack of it.. it demands obedience though, and the tibetans stood against that
Dave - Catholic---- : once agian your missing the point
Justin - Atheist---- what happened would have happened no matter what the religon
Dave - Catholic---- : I'm not blaming communism. I am stating that the drive behind the killings in china was athiesm
Dave - Catholic---- : thats up for speculation
Dave - Catholic---- : but ne ideoligy other than athiesm would have at least admited some guilt
Justin - Atheist---- communism is to blame though... It demands obedience by the people
Justin - Atheist---- much of china today is not atheist
Dave - Catholic---- : not in this case. communism was a factor. but athiesm was to blame. it was the deciding factor
Justin - Atheist---- it has one of the strongest and most active christian churches in the world in it
Dave - Catholic---- : but where not talking about the china of today. where talking about history
Justin - Atheist---- but it is the same communist country, and disobedience is still punished just as the tibentans were in history
Dave - Catholic---- : But for a different reason now.
Justin - Atheist---- for disobedience, just as before
Justin - Atheist---- if atheism had an established figurehead it probably would have condemned what china did... unfortunalty catholicism had one and did nothing to stop hitler
Dave - Catholic---- : what could catholism do. its has no army
Justin - Atheist---- in any case, china's atrocities cannot be made any case against atheism -
Dave - Catholic---- : and lack of a figure head does not absolve group of blame
Justin - Atheist---- hitler was a catholic - Pius had a policy of silence, even the current pope appologized for that screw up
Dave - Catholic---- : i'm not makeing a case against athiesm i am mearly pointing out that its not the nonviolent utopia athiest like to pitcure it as
Dave - Catholic---- : yeah and president clinton appoligised for taking land away from the indians big deal
Justin - Atheist---- nowhere in the atheist bible is violence called for.. if atheists act violently, it is on their own accord
Dave - Catholic---- : the catholic church could not have stopped hitler. he was an ambitius man with dreams of world domination.
Dave - Catholic---- : and he was also a catholic
Dave - Catholic---- : athies dont have a bible
Justin - Atheist---- most jews at least think that the catholic church could have said something about it maybe being wrong to kill all the jews
Justin - Atheist---- but they didnt
Justin - Atheist---- the church deliberately said nothing
Justin - Atheist---- not one word
Dave - Catholic---- : wouldnt have mattered
Justin - Atheist---- if it had said something and it didnt work, ok.. but to be silent is wrong
Dave - Catholic---- : yes it was a mistake. but you cant blame hitler on the church
Justin - Atheist---- well, aparently the pope at least thought it was worth a big apology to the jewesh people
Justin - Atheist---- the germans saw hitler as a gift from god to save thier race...
Dave - Catholic---- : hitler was a influencial speaker who was able to play off the hatreds of a people in a slump
Justin - Atheist---- and you cannot blame atheism for the acts of china....
Dave - Catholic---- : once again he played the german people. you cant blame catholisism
Dave - Catholic---- : yes but it was done in the name of. Athiesm was not the cause. it was the excuse
Justin - Atheist---- again, christians are quick to blame humanity for evils, but thank god for the good...
Justin - Atheist---- you had just said atheism was the cause
Dave - Catholic---- : and athiest are quick to blame god for all the evils and say humanity was dilluded
Dave - Catholic---- : well then i retract that statement
Justin - Atheist---- it wasnt thought, nor was race or hair color or any of that - it was communism, purely
Justin - Atheist---- atheists dont blame god for anything
Dave - Catholic---- : your wrong thier justin. it was not purely communism. why cant you except that
Justin - Atheist---- they expect man to live up to its mistakes
Dave - Catholic---- : ah i see. once again from the mountain top.
Dave - Catholic---- : then why blame christianity for the acts of a mad man
Justin - Atheist---- because, budhism survived in mainland china, just because it was obedient
Dave - Catholic---- : budism survived because it went underground
Dave - Catholic---- : until the heat was off.
Justin - Atheist---- If man uses christianity to kill, it is mans fault
Justin - Atheist---- not christianity's
Dave - Catholic---- : man cannot use christianity to kill
Dave - Catholic---- : he can only use it as an excuse for killing
Justin - Atheist---- same differents
Dave - Catholic---- : big difference
Dave - Catholic---- : one is saying the idoligy is killing someone
Dave - Catholic---- : the other is saying the ideoligy is the excuse for the man killing
Justin - Atheist---- hitler used christianity as an excuse for killing, as well as race, and other things... ideology cannot kill someone!
Justin - Atheist---- how can ideology kill?
Dave - Catholic---- : Hitler wanted to kill people. he used ne excuse he could think of the shape weak minds into siding with him.
Dave - Catholic---- : ideology cannot kill.
Justin - Atheist---- there ya go..
Dave - Catholic---- : i was mearly stating how the two statements differed
Dave - Catholic---- : so how can you even attempt to use Hitler as a mark agaist christianity?
Justin - Atheist---- how can you use china against atheism?
Justin - Atheist---- both are the same
Justin - Atheist---- men doing evil for what they believe...
Dave - Catholic---- : using the same methodoligy that links hitler killing to christianity
Dave - Catholic---- : Men do evil for what they want
Justin - Atheist---- and this can be stopped though
Justin - Atheist---- society can change
Dave - Catholic---- : of course it can
Dave - Catholic---- : but men will continue to do evil.
Dave - Catholic---- : its in our nature
Justin - Atheist---- but if religion remains, men will always have an excuse... it isnt in every man's nature
Dave - Catholic---- : Men will always have an excuse. period
Dave - Catholic---- : relegion does not preach to kill. Christianity teaches the exact opposite
Justin - Atheist---- read the new testiment carefully.. mark all the times jesus threatens to kill or punish people with damnation
Justin - Atheist---- if we could get rid of this book, and the qua'ran, and perhaps supress other oppressive beliefs, there could be peace
Dave - Catholic---- : Now read it and mark all the time jesus offers forgiveness to sinners. and how many times he expresses a gospel of love. and then again the number of times he actually meats out some punishment
Dave - Catholic---- : You living in a dream world justin. People fight over all sorts of things. relegion is just one of them.
Justin - Atheist---- religion is the big one...
Justin - Atheist---- and it has the most power
Dave - Catholic---- : so is land borders. race, money.
Dave - Catholic---- : land is the biggest historical reason for war
Dave - Catholic---- : possesion of property

the end-

1) Just as any atheist must openly question the possibility of God (to be a freethinker), any Theist must openly question the possibility of no God
- Christians have considered the possibility of no God. but for the moment have decided that enough evidence exist to support thier beliefs

2) Religion is a way of explaining what we do not understand, ie Lightening, life, death.

- your right justin. but modern religeon does not do that
Me - Then why pray? Why believe in a God?

Dave - you choose to believe in him cause you think he exist just like i believe in rusty, my dog

Me - but rusty can be percieved, not god

3) Aren't there rules to following the Bible? do you have to follow all of these lessons and 'words of god' or can you pick and chose?
- you get to pick and choose
how about the 10 commandments?

- I believe that all 10 commandments are relevent in todays society

(and therefore must be followed by anyone calling themselves a Christian)

what about the 2nd, "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord you God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to thousands who love me and keep my commandments."

- depends on your interpretation
not much there to interpret. how do you interpret it?
- whats the harm in it, tell me that
it breaks the commandment of God... that's the harm

- ahhhhh i see. fortunatly he is a loveing and forgiveing God. so if we got that one wrong. I think we'll still be ok. chalk it up to the falibilities of god. whoops. i ment man

3) again, if you dont want to abide by certain parts of the book, you dont have to? and there's no repercussion for this?
- Once again. its a personal choice. But eventually. thiers going to be a judgment. thats when you find out if you where right or wrong

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